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Whattodo · Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Posts: 5

In the early 19th Century a papyrus, dating from the end of the Middle Kingdom, was found in Egypt. It was taken to the Leiden Museum in Holland and interpreted by A.H. Gardiner in 1909. The complete papyrus can be found in the book Admonitions of an Egyptian from a heiratic papyrus in Leiden. The papyrus describes violent upheavals in Egypt, starvation, drought, escape of slaves (with the wealth of the Egyptians), and death throughout the land. The papyrus was written by an Egyptian named Ipuwer and appears to be an eyewitness account of the effects of the Exodus plagues from the perspective of an average Egyptian. http://ohr.edu/yhiy/article.php/838http://www.anchorstone.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=155&Itemid=53

rendezvous_rama · Joined: 11 Jun 2006 Posts: 6

AJS · Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 6

Thats not archaeological proof dear heart.

sunbun · Joined: 06 Mar 2004 Posts: 5

Could slaves have been misinterpreted as persecuted lower classman?

2gadoo · Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 6

You know, I heard about that.There was this documentary also called "Exodus: Decoded" that said that the Exodus has been dated wrongly by historians and archaeologists alike and that it probably happened not under Ramses, but under another Pharaoh in and around 1500 BC. There is also evidence in hieroglyphics that foreign, Semitic peoples inhabited Egypt at one point.

Mathew · Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 4

I think it's intriguing.

CM · Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 6

Dig Deeper! DEEPer! Harder! Deeper! Faster!

M · Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 4

No kidding. Archeology has shown that much of the Bible is inaccurate as history.

scruffycat · Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 8

That's not archaeological evidence.Also, having now read a good chunk of it in translation, it seems there is a lot not in exodus and a lot in exodus not in it.

chaitanya · Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 3

Yes, this scroll exists, however it goes on to talk about how the Pharaoh causing these actions and doesn't mention the Hebrews one way or another. This, I'm fairly certain, is the same scroll that "The Exodus Decoded" used quite unsuccessfully in its dismal attempt at stringing together unrelated facts.This scroll would place the Exodus around 600 years before any sign of the Hebrews appeared.By the way, the proto-Semantic writings are dated to 100 to 200 years after this scroll.

jamesb · Joined: 27 Dec 2003 Posts: 2

Nothing is always as it seems. This particular document was actually an Egyptian Apocalypticist's view of what would happen if the rampant immorality he saw in Egypt didn't stop. It is NOT, in fact, an example of the events of Exodus in the Bible.For a good treatment, here's a good discussion of some of the scholarship done on this papyrus fragment.http://theboard.byu.edu/index.php?area=viewall&id=22369

RoadHouse · Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 3

lol. Not proof of anything. One scientist interpreting it to mean the Exodus, means nothing at all. But you already know that, don't you? You understand the scientific process right? That such things must be peer reviewed and supported by further evidence in order to take it as proof that something happened? That such things as droubt, and the escape of slaves have happened in all the lands of the world? That nowhere does it mention them as Hebrews? You realize, of course, that every land held slaves and that sometimes they revolted, right?But you know all that right?Sorry, you can't say thats the Exodus. It doesn't work that way.Btw, its a damned poem. Have you not noticed that poetry isn't the best way to judge a circumstance that it talks about? Poetry tends to be.... well.... poetic. Poems are put in a way that will pull an emotional reaction from you. Truth has nothing to do with poetry.

eMarv3146 · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 3

most egyptologists disagree with you.but then what would they know?

LoFlo · Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 5

wow, it took from 1909 until now for someone to say something. what a load!The event was supposedly around 1500 BCE and Moses was around 1400 BCE. so if the bible is true and without error then the document has to be a fake cuz the event with moses happened many years later, according to your bible.I doubt the papyrus is legit. the christian church is notorious for creating its own history and manufacturing evidence to support its 'proof'. There is no proof of who wrote the document or that it is legit or what is found written on it is true, it could be a repeat of what someone heard. Considering the pharaoh's line did not end with the exodus, the document has to be false as it is written to support a fictitious event.. The document is false like everything that comes out of the church.

MrsG · Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 4

Has the papyrus been carbon dated? Where was it found? What were the circumstances around the discovery?What else was there?In other words, has it been researched by scholars and determined to be authentic or is it a fraud?Telling me what was written on a piece of paper, found by some person less than a 100 years ago, tells me absolutely nothing about the actual "find"....