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Jim
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:00 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| The American Dream turns into a debtor's nightmareA sad, but common, tale starts with alleged predatory lending, intensifies with impossibly high payments and usually ends in foreclosure.By Jennifer Delson and and Christopher Goffard, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers October 8, 2007 Soledad Aviles dreamed for years of owning a home, with a plot of land where he could grow corn and chiles as he did in his native Mexico. So he felt blessed last year when he learned he could buy a three-bedroom, single-story stucco house on West La Verne Avenue in Santa Ana.Referred to a local loan broker by a trusted friend, he borrowed the entire purchase price of $615,000 from Washington Mutual at a high interest rate typical of sub-prime loans. The monthly payment, as he says he understood it, would be $3,600 -- steep for a glass cutter who made $9 an hour -- but Aviles counted on his wife and three of his six daughters, who also worked low-paying jobs, to contribute."We took out our pencils, figured out our take-home pay and figured out that if we all pitched in, it would work," said Aviles, 54, a stoop-shouldered, soft-spoken man with a sixth-grade education from Mexico.Relying on the broker's word, he signed loan documents written in English, a language he neither speaks nor reads, Aviles said. He was shocked to learn afterward that the monthly payment would not be $3,600, but $4,800 -- a price that forced him to rent out bedrooms, the garage and an enclosed porch while he and his wife slept on the couch. He fed his family with food from friends and corn he grew.Aviles says he was not aware that the February 2006 loan application he signed dramatically exaggerated his family's income. The application lists him as the owner of a landscaping business with a $7,400 monthly income. His 27-year-old daughter Marlene, who earns $9 an hour in a noodle factory, appears as the owner of a housecleaning company who makes $5,700 a month. The application lists their yearly income as $157,000, when, according to Aviles, it was really closer to $60,000.Now, five months behind on his payments, Aviles is scrambling to sell the house before the bank forecloses. Desperately ill from kidney disease and unable to work for the last year, he sits dejectedly at the dining room table, wondering when the bank will kick him out.Aviles' situation is hardly unique. Add his name to the ever-expanding list of casualties in the nationwide sub-prime mortgage debacle, his experience echoing that of thousands who bought homes in recent years only to find themselves in a sagging market saddled with payments they cannot make.But amid the storm of foreclosures, his story illustrates the special vulnerabilities of first-generation immigrants in places like predominantly Latino Santa Ana, where city leaders have identified about 800 sub-prime borrowers facing the potential loss of their homes."We think this is just the tip of the iceberg, in terms of the breadth and depth," said Steve Harding, Santa Ana's deputy city manager. Apart from the language barrier, he said, many first-generation immigrants might have been especially vulnerable to sub-prime lending because they avoided checking accounts and credit cards, which prevented them from qualifying for regular loans.The city has teamed with the Fair Housing Council of Orange County to offer free foreclosure prevention workshops, hoping to teach people to avoid predatory lenders and find help as they face the loss of their homes.The Fair Housing Council said the number of people seeking help over mortgage woes, many of them Latinos living in Anaheim and Santa Ana, has soared. The group typically receives 15 to 20 complaints annually, but in September of this year the group received more than 20. The state Department of Real Estate, nonprofits and the Mexican consulate also have reported a rise in mortgage complaints, many of them from homeowners saying they signed documents they didn't understand.Across the state, many cases are landing in court. Kerstin Arusha, a directing attorney at the nonprofit Law Foundation of Silicon Valley, said that Spanish speakers, along with the elderly, "seem to be hardest hit by both sub-prime lending and predatory lending. There are many borrowers out there that were misled about the terms of the loan."The Law Foundation is suing a broker, real estate agent and lender in federal court on behalf of nine Santa Clara County families, many of whom speak only Spanish, contending they were lured into mortgages they didn't understand. The lawsuit alleges that the broker inflated incomes on loan applications, misrepresented the terms of the loans and stuck clients with higher payments than they had been promised.The victims "thought they saw the promise of the American Dream, and instead they ended up with a nightmare," Arusha said. "I think they were seen as easy targets for predatory lenders who could sell them a bill of goods without giving them disclosures in a language they understand."The Law Foundation is handling 10 other cases involving predatory lending, half of them for Latino clients, Arusha said.But in Orange County, the district attorney's office has not reported an increase in prosecutions for fraudulent lending. Elizabeth Henderson, a prosecutor in the county's fraud unit, said many such crimes go unreported in immigrant communities because of a distrust of law enforcement and confusion over what had occurred."They're not really sure what they were promised, so they don't know if they were cheated," she said.Sitting in his Santa Ana home, waiting for the bank to kick him out or for his kidney to kill him, Aviles did not hesitate to characterize what had happened to him: "They used me, nothing more."He was led astray, he said, by a man he had considered a dear friend, Carlos Lares. They used to work in a factory together. He said Lares showed him about a dozen homes, including the one he bought, and offered to arrange a mortgage.State records show Lares lacks the real estate license required to show homes. In an interview with The Times, Lares denied showing homes and said he merely took Aviles to the office where he works, Century 21 South Coast. He declined to comment further. His business card lists him as a "team service associate."Part of me does feel bad for him, but he was stupid to think he could even make payments o $3600 a month, when he and his wife only make $9.00 an hour. WE should not have to bail him out or bail out others like them. This article is the start of letting the taxpayer bail these people out of their situations. Screw the people who made educated choices."""Jesus, Mary and Joseph.....a $600K house? $9/hr income. You must be kidding me. What was this man thinking in ANY language??? """"LOL that is the going rate in this part of the country. What is sad....... the majority of Santa Ana is a dump...... it is an illegals haven...... It is little TJ |
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prizzatt05
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| Someone who makes $9/hour has no business buying a $600,000. piece of property. Anyone with any common sense knows that regardless of how much a bank tells them thay can afford. |
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P_Money
Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 7
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:02 pm Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| I've heard a few stories like this. Clearly predatory lending is involved, in that they never should have qualified for the loan.But where all common sense breaks down is when these "victims" argue that because of those meanies they are now in danger of losing "their house".HA! it was never their house. They never owned any of it. They didn't put money down and they're upside down on their loan and they had no business trying to buy that kind of house in the first place. The LAST thing that should happen is some type of arrangement that tries to keep them in the house. |
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theshadow01
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| He came to America should have learned English. |
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venicefloridarealtor6287
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:04 pm Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| the old saying goes, don't sign it if you haven't read it... if you do not understand or read English, get an attorney that does. this claim that, "oh, i didn't understand," is getting a bit old !!!!!! it doesn't work for citizens and it should not work for them!!!who buys a house without a lawyer??????????? a nut, that's who!!! |
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FaZizzle8666
Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:05 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| Honestly...I would not feel comfortable if I were them signing contracts and papers in a language that I do not speak. I would want someone to explain it to me in my own language before i signed. I know the guy was his friend and he trusted him but still...if I couldn't read it, I wouldn't sign it. |
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dawgs4me07
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 3
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Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:07 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| The broker was wrong and should go to jail for what he did, but the family was just as wrong.On $9.00 per hour he could not afford a mortgage at all in the California housing market. He let his dream get in the way of commonsense. |
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Jakek
Joined: 22 Oct 2003 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:08 pm Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| You come to this country illegally and expect to exploit the American dream.Having the tax payers pay for your medical and educate your kids. I got 1 word to say to this guy.........ADIOS |
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gato_del_sol_3
Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 4
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:09 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| Yes, it is a bit sad, but. . . If he and his wife cannot make the payments themselves then they had no business trying to buy a house of that worth. Also, if he is unable to speak or read English, he has no right to take out a loan written in English, so sorry but his signature is on the documents. If he wants to cry foul, well too bad, because a gun wasn't put to his head to force him to sign. Even if he did qualify for it, he should have had someone he trusted who speaks/reads English to help him out, or better yet learn our language! |
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financing_loans5066
Joined: 30 Mar 2004 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:10 pm Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| This is a question about managing your money properly. I think too many people not only immigrants got a little greedy when the housing bubble was at its peak. I certainly would not buy a house that I can't afford and that is not worth it! It was the lenders fault and the buyers fault. They were handing out loans like candy to anyone who would take them! That's just ridiculous! Now look what happened, they are stuck with this high payment plus now the house is going down in value, if anything. I keep hearing that the gov't should get involved. Why? So does the gov't need to get involved whenever someone makes a bad decision? Then my money is going to go to bail them out? Where does it end? What about car repos? I don't think so. My husband and I could've bought in to that housing market but we decided to wait. We make good money combined (Over 100k) and we still think it is cheaper to rent than buy. Plus everything is going down and there is more supply than demand now so it is a buyers market. We are glad that we waited. So I am not willing to pay my hard earned money for the mortgage companies greediness and others mistakes! |
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hooterville
Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 8
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Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:11 pm Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| This is a good argument for learning English. |
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lost1
Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:12 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| Too bad for those undocumented breeders. They don't print the number of Americans swindled out of their hard-earned money by all the get rich quick scams. Conducting business when you don't speak the language is dangerous. Because they don't have common sense, they dug their own holes and won't receive an ounce of pity from me.Many Americans never see their American Dream, WHY should Mexicans feel they deserve to cash in on it??There's an old saying---A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED. |
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ray_8128
Joined: 29 Aug 2006 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:13 pm Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| Have you ever signed your name on anything that you did not understand? Me neither. Have you ever bought something so far above your means that you needed to have most of your family pitch in to pay for it for the next 30 or so years? Me neither. Have you ever moved to a country that spoke a different language than you, and not bothered to learn that language? Me neither. |
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RealEstateGuy7519
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:14 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| No, I do not feel sorry for him at all. If he could read ENGLISH, he would have understood the papers he was signing. |
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sakthy
Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:15 am Post subject: Should we feel sorry for this family because of "their" bad |
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| Jesus, Mary and Joseph.....a $600K house? $9/hr income. You must be kidding me. What was this man thinking in ANY language??? WTF???????????????? |
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